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Rule !!!!!!!!!!!

Postby mrmacacan » Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:53 am

Playing in the Kav cup 3 yesterday.

First thing I have got to say what a great day.
Hats off to those that help run and organise the day and what a guy Kav is.

Now the rule that came up, well it did not happen but a player asked if someones hand was dead.

Can this be right or did I hear it wrong

If it is under the gun turn to act and is thinking and the next 3 players fold out of turn then under the guns hand is dead.
Can this be correct, his/her hand is dead and he has done nothing wrong.
Probably 98% of poker rules I understand the reasons behind them, but this one baffles me.
I was told that that player gains an advantage, maybe so but he has done nothing wrong.

Is this just a Grosvenor rule or do more casino's have this rule.

Can anyone defend this rule ?.

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Re: Rule !!!!!!!!!!!

Postby Jackpot » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:06 pm

Dead is correct and the only thing i can think of, it stops slow play and hiding your cards...I can remember their as been a debate about it on here already somewhere :spade:

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Postby The Fox » Sun Jan 15, 2017 1:09 pm

It is up to each player to play attention to the game.

If three players have passed their hands "out of turn" then the advantage to any player is profound and the rule is there to protect the integrity of the game.

Not sure I agree with it however.
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Re: Rule !!!!!!!!!!!

Postby TheSquirrel » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:50 pm

Yeah hand dead, but really hate that rule. UTG has done nothing wrong and he gets penalised. I think it still applies if two pass out of turn. Mind you, I get a certain satisfaction out of it if he's a terminally slow player. The only protection is if someone passes out of turn shout "WHOA I haven't acted yet." Dealer could do the same thing the second the first player folds out of turn. That could stop the domino effect, but some just can't wait to fold and get on with it.

I'm not playing any more and I'm still complaining. Typical poker player!
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Re: Rule !!!!!!!!!!!

Postby The Fox » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:37 pm

TheSquirrel wrote:I'm not playing any more and I'm still complaining. Typical poker player!


In that case it should read "Typical RETIRED poker player" :) :) :)
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Re: Rule !!!!!!!!!!!

Postby TheSquirrel » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:13 pm

The Fox wrote:
TheSquirrel wrote:I'm not playing any more and I'm still complaining. Typical poker player!


In that case it should read "Typical RETIRED poker player" :) :) :)


Oops yep you're right, but although I'm now retired from both work and poker, I'm NOT retired from being a grumpy old git.

Let's get this right: so the UTG hand is folded because it gives him too much of an advantage. Okay, so that gives the hijack hand even more of an advantage so better fold that too, which gives the cutoff even more of an advantage so definitely fold that, which gives the button a tremendously ridiculously unfair advantage so better fold that hand too.

Hmm maybe this is why I gave the game up, I'm thinking anger management here. I just have the urge to hold down the person or persons who came up with that rule and drop a large boulder on their head, resulting in an awful lot of *bleep* being squashed out. Same thing goes for any TD who tries to justify this ridiculous rule.
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Re: Rule !!!!!!!!!!!

Postby The Godfather » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:54 pm

The correct rule was given according to the book!! For what it's worth I like the ruling and think it's the correct one.. However, during the main event last year ( GUKPT ) at Manchester G (( feature table )) the same thing happened, I knew her hand was dead. The lady asked for a ruling. The TD ( not Lee ) said because the 3 following players all folded very quickly she still had the option to check, fold or bet :shock: I then piped up and said what's the point of having a set of rules when the TD can over turn it when it quite category states in black & white the hand is dead :? I did ask anothe TD later on their opinion! That person said the hand was dead :mrgreen:
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Re: Rule !!!!!!!!!!!

Postby The Fox » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:43 pm

Oooops...Mr S will deffo go of on one now. :D :D :D
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Re: Rule !!!!!!!!!!!

Postby TheSquirrel » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:25 am

The Fox wrote:Oooops...Mr S will deffo go of on one now. :D :D :D


You almost have to laugh don't you? I mean they have this ridiculous rule (which a lot of regs know about until they change it), and they can't even enforce it consistently. :axed:

The 2nd fastest 100m runner is disqualified for a positive PED test, the 3rd fastest is disqualified for a false start, so they disqualify Usain Bolt for having too much of an advantage. *bleep*.
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Re: Rule !!!!!!!!!!!

Postby The Fox » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:03 am

TheSquirrel wrote:
The Fox wrote:The 2nd fastest 100m runner is disqualified for a positive PED test, the 3rd fastest is disqualified for a false start, so they disqualify Usain Bolt for having too much of an advantage. *bleep*.


It's a very good comparison and I tend to agree. 8) 8) 8)
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Re: Rule !!!!!!!!!!!

Postby WorkerBee » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:41 pm

I think the player utg+1 should receive a penalty because he was the one that did something wrong.

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Re: Rule !!!!!!!!!!!

Postby The Fox » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:47 pm

WorkerBee wrote:I think the player utg+1 should receive a penalty because he was the one that did something wrong.


Again I have to agree..well said Mr BubbleBee.....think Mr S has provided a great example of how the player who did nothing wrong is the only player to be penalised....very strange rule IMO.
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Re: Rule !!!!!!!!!!!

Postby sealacey » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:56 pm

ya its not fair on the under gun but his hand is dead , and in turn all players folding out of turn are issued warnings and penalties if continues from what I understand about this rule


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